https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1997613405033967867
"Grok is now way more integrated into Tesla with the new rollout Tesla’s 2025 Holiday Release adds “Grok with Navigation Commands (Beta),” so you can literally tell Grok to add or edit destinations and let it guide you as a smart driving assistant Set Grok’s personality to Assistant, speak your route, and your Tesla handles the rest - no need to touch the screen"

Is that enough for navigation and voice control? If not what else is needed? @SimoneRomeo

@ChristopherRandles I'm not sure, but I think it's fine for navigation but not for voice control of vehicles. In the example, we say we should be able to say for example "turn left" and the car should turn. It seems the current update only resolves the navigation market

@SimoneRomeo

https://x.com/i/grok/share/PWqyq1ct7Y99pxTsVG2vzudJp

Not sure where you will draw the line on at least a couple of issues here:

Firstly, between being able to say "Grok, tell the car to take next turn left" and something like my suggested "Grok, change the car's destination to somewhere that requires the next left turn to be taken"

Secondly, even if that does work without requiring confirmation of destination selected and if given enough advance time before the turn, then there is issue of whether it is responsive enough or takes too long.

Any thoughts you wish to share?

@ChristopherRandles I'd say the line is exactly not requiring confirmation of destination selected. You should be able to instruct Grok as you'd instruct a normal human taxi driver. I'm not sure about where drawing the line of how responsive it should be. I'm not too strict about this. Let's say that if you're able to tell Grok "Turn right at the next crossroad", the crossroad is more than 50 meters away in a urban area, and it succeeds then it should count.

The latest update about Grok is quite impressing counting how young and small the team is

https://youtu.be/4Ot5HLKhyVw?si=Oc_ZB5Zl0GN7qgFT

This requires that a version of Grok be trained on the data, but not necessarily that the resulting model is the one that controls FSD in commercial Tesla vehicles, correct?

@HarrisonNathan if I understand correctly, yes: there will be a third model that has its roots in the FSD and Grok data

@SimoneRomeo I think they will do that.

@HarrisonNathan I think it's a no brainier. Besides making fsd more user friendly, it would make it so much better once it learns abstract concepts about humans and society (or even just traffic rules 😂😂). Let's see if they'll make it by the end of next year. Hope so

@SimoneRomeo It does lend itself to "rogue AI jams every major road on Earth as part of robot takeover" fantasies, though.

@HarrisonNathan ahaha, right

@HarrisonNathan i mean, in terms of intelligence I don't know if it should be much different. The model should be smart based on the parameter size and how much compute was used to train it, regardless of the amount of data or whether it was just trained with camera footages or also internet text. It makes me think of what would be a conscious FSD like if it is not able to talk. Would it try to communicate with us somehow? Ahah weird thoughts

@SimoneRomeo I don't think any current model actually "tries" to communicate. That is, there is no decision making involved, and it doesn't have any motive to convey information. Probably the number one mistake I see people making when they talk about what an AI "knows" is to assume that its output represents an effort to tell them something, when really it has no reason to care about them or what they think of it. I'm unable to see how general goal-oriented behavior would spontaneously emerge, but I won't rule it out entirely.

@HarrisonNathan yeah, I'm not saying current AI models try to communicate. I mean, we are totally diffent as living beings than current AI models because we have one major goal - staying alive. This goal has shaped our evolution and helped us evolve the brains we have - to survive. This being said, it's crazy that our evolution led us to ponder the meaning of life. And somehow this search for meaning drives us as much as other more basic needs. Does it give us a competitive advantage? Was it obvious that it would emerge because of the brains we have? Could such a feature evolve in AI models? Could it evolve spontaneously from an FSD neural network once it gets a brain big enough? And if so, what would it do? I'd expect it'd try to communicate with us as we created it. I think these thoughts are as fascinating as spooky

@SimoneRomeo My naive guess is that it probably requires some more complex architecture that allows the model to make choices about what it thinks about.

@HarrisonNathan maybe. But what does it mean exactly? What's made of if it's not part of our neural network? And how did this structure evolve? Or when? Do fish have it? What about whales, elephants or monkeys? Or what about homo herectus? Or what about hunter gatherers?

@SimoneRomeo I'm of a mind that all vertebrates likely have a subjective experience very similar to our own, and the only thing that sets us apart is an instinctive capacity for complex language. We won't be able to prove this for some time, but objective measures of animal cognition only keep showing greater capabilities. As to why we have goal-oriented behavior, I think it's probably fundamental to why we have complex brains in the first place. We have to do a lot of complicated things in a complicated environment, and this goes way back, perhaps to the Cambrian.